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| Quote east hull FC fan="east hull FC fan"In what respect? Corporation tax? It all goes to the same guy, I'm sure all that was taken into account in the settlement. Seems the logical thing to do.'"
Yes, corporation tax. More about the rate at which it was paid. If all periods were now a loss it would probably make no difference, but if in some years it just reduced the profits to pay tax at a lower rate, it would probably save money.
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| Quote Beanman="Beanman"I don't know anything about the image rights case but the Inland Revenue do have to treat all tax payers equally so effectively they do set precedents'"
The HMRC have an arrangement with RU clubs that offsets a certain amount of the image rights payments that are now due. They have not offered RL clubs the same 'discount'. Hence the court case by Leeds which is being supported by the RFL. So maybe the HMRC have a different definition of 'precedent' to everyone else?
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"The HMRC have an arrangement with RU clubs that offsets a certain amount of the image rights payments that are now due. They have not offered RL clubs the same 'discount'. Hence the court case by Leeds which is being supported by the RFL. So maybe the HMRC have a different definition of 'precedent' to everyone else?'"
or maybe the RU clubs have better lawyers than the blazers from Red Hall?
amazing, isn't it, that Football, Formula 1, Tennis, Cricket, Speedway...(I wont go on) don't seem to have an issue with EBT??
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| Quote Standee="Standee"or maybe the RU clubs have better lawyers than the blazers from Red Hall?
amazing, isn't it, that Football, Formula 1, Tennis, Cricket, Speedway...(I wont go on) don't seem to have an issue with EBT??'"
I'm not sure that they don't. It might simply be, as Adeybull has said, that HMRC are going after the 'soft target' of RL in order to get a firm precedent set through the courts and [ithen[/i go after Soccer et al.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"I'm not sure that they don't. It might simply be, as Adeybull has said, that HMRC are going after the 'soft target' of RL in order to get a firm precedent set through the courts and [ithen[/i go after Soccer et al.'"
you honestly think HMRC will chase Football, not a prayer, the likes of Man Utd et al would have them bound up in red tape for years.
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| Quote Standee="Standee"you honestly think HMRC will chase Football, not a prayer, the likes of Man Utd et al would have them bound up in red tape for years.'"
I think they have to make the attempt now as more focus has been placed on closing down these loopholes and getting the back tax into the treasury.
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| Quote Standee="Standee"you honestly think HMRC will chase Football, not a prayer, the likes of Man Utd et al would have them bound up in red tape for years.'"
They will. There could be billions at stake.
This is why they are establishing the precedents with other sports first. They are still smarting after losing the Beckham case a few years ago.
As for the RU/RL difference, the HMRC team working on this project is based in the West Midlands, where they know jack shìt about RL and deemed it to not be a national sport therefore how could players' images be worth anything at all? Compared with RU, where they agreed that images could be worth up 15% of the player's total package. Leeds sought to give the lie to that by demonstrating that they have RL players - allowed 0% who are far better known and have a far higher profile than RU players - allowed 15% - who few even in RU circles give a toss about. It was less about treatment precedent, more about whether RL has the same profile as RU.
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| Quote Standee="Standee"or maybe the RU clubs have better lawyers than the blazers from Red Hall?
amazing, isn't it, that Football, Formula 1, Tennis, Cricket, Speedway...(I wont go on) don't seem to have an issue with EBT??'"
They do. In some sports, on a far bigger scale than in RL where I think few clubs went down that route. In some sports, I gather the numbers are quite large.
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| Quote carl_spackler="carl_spackler"Why doubtful?'"
You would only restate a set of accounts for the current and comparative year (2011 and its comparative for 2010). This if its considered a fundamental Prior Year Error.
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| standee has made a good point here though. football with all the money sloshing around can afford to employ the best lawyers to fight or at least delay these issues for years. RL cannot afford such luxuries, except perhaps in the leeds test case. we should all hope that leeds win this one
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| Quote the artist="the artist"standee has made a good point here though. football with all the money sloshing around can afford to employ the best lawyers to fight or at least delay these issues for years. RL cannot afford such luxuries, except perhaps in the leeds test case. we should all hope that leeds win this one'"
HMRC are skint, they need to set a precedent of case law (Leeds?) So they can go after the bigger fish. They'll get them.
We should support HMRC in their actions as tax avoidance costs the treasury billions every year. In these austere times, I don't think we can afford not to.
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| Quote east hull FC fan="east hull FC fan"HMRC are skint, they need to set a precedent of case law (Leeds?) So they can go after the bigger fish. [uThey'll get them[/u.
We should support HMRC in their actions as tax avoidance costs the treasury billions every year. In these austere times, I don't think we can afford not to.'"
As they have got big fish in the past, only to see the European Court eventually overturn the verdict and then have to repay the money.
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