|
 |
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10852 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2018 | Aug 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote carl_spackler="carl_spackler"Whilst I can agree that you could see an element of class in Dykes, I just think you're being overly critical of Seymour. '"
I didn't wish to be. As I said, I think he's a good player. He's just not got that extra something to lift him beyond good. On the other thread, you said yourself that you're not totally convinced he's worth retaining, so you must agree to an large extent, no?
Quote carl_spackler="carl_spackler"It's worth noting that over the past few games we have largely gone away from committing runners as we had started to earlier in the season, so a fair bit of the time Seymour hasn't actually had much of a decision to make but is being criticised for taking the wrong options. If he had more than one player waiting to receive the ball most of the time I'd think this criticism was more valid.'"
I haven't mentioned him taking wrong options, though. I don't think he has particularly. I just think he's good in defence (the Washbrook incident aside), ok in attack without pulling up trees, and his kicking game is a bit hit and miss. He's undoubtedly an improvement on having better halfbacks that only play half as many games, but I'm not convinced that'll be enough. I like a halfback who can create something from nothing every once in a while. Maybe if we have someone like that playing alongside him, things will look up.
Quote carl_spackler="carl_spackler"Also, it wasn't actually me who brought up Myler and Lomax etc. If you want my opinion though, Myler has nothing other than a running game as a halfback, he is no more than a poor man's Danny McGuire. In a straight choice between the 2 I would take Seymour every time without hesitation.'"
Depends who they're playing alongside, I suppose. I think Myler gets a lot of unwarranted criticism, too.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 53839 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2015 | Aug 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote carl_spackler="carl_spackler"Whilst I can agree that you could see an element of class in Dykes, I just think you're being overly critical of Seymour. It's worth noting that over the past few games we have largely gone away from committing runners as we had started to earlier in the season, so a fair bit of the time Seymour hasn't actually had much of a decision to make but is being criticised for taking the wrong options. If he had more than one player waiting to receive the ball most of the time I'd think this criticism was more valid.
Also, it wasn't actually me who brought up Myler and Lomax etc. If you want my opinion though, Myler has nothing other than a running game as a halfback, he is no more than a poor man's Danny McGuire. In a straight choice between the 2 I would take Seymour every time without hesitation.'"
I don't rate Myler at all but oddly I actually think he would probably be a good partner for Seymour. Not that I would want him.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10540 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"I didn't wish to be. As I said, I think he's a good player. He's just not got that extra something to lift him beyond good. On the other thread, you said yourself that you're not totally convinced he's worth retaining, so you must agree to an large extent, no?'"
My stance has always been that 'good' is enough in one of your halfbacks. The reason I wouldn't definitely say I'd keep him is because I want to see him with decent partner first. ATM I don't have a problem with him and wouldn't be looking to get rid.
Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"I haven't mentioned him taking wrong options, though. I don't think he has particularly. I just think he's good in defence (the Washbrook incident aside), ok in attack without pulling up trees, and his kicking game is a bit hit and miss. He's undoubtedly an improvement on having better halfbacks that only play half as many games, but I'm not convinced that'll be enough. I like a halfback who can create something from nothing every once in a while. Maybe if we have someone like that playing alongside him, things will look up.'"
I strongly agree with the last 2 sentences.
Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"Depends who they're playing alongside, I suppose. I think Myler gets a lot of unwarranted criticism, too.'"
I just think Myler is pants. If he wasn't in such a good side where he can feed off the breaks of others I don't see what he has to offer.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 338 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2013 | Apr 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| seymour for me has stood out in the last few weeks hes been our only point of attack and should not have to do it himself we have horne and ellis and neither of them are good enough to take us further it gets to hands and is to predictable quicker hands and we would of scored atleast 2 more tries against st helens and wakey and ultimatly won the games the play slows down everytime it gets to horne or ellis
id take chase in a heartbeat quick hands a step and fast and a good short kicking game not as good as benji but hes superleagues benji and gentle would love having him here imo
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10852 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2018 | Aug 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote carl_spackler="carl_spackler"
I just think Myler is pants. If he wasn't in such a good side where he can feed off the breaks of others I don't see what he has to offer.'"
He seems to have a habit of getting himself into the right positions to feed off the breaks of others, though. That's what a good half back should do. There were a couple of instances yesterday where we made half breaks and better backing up might have resulted in something more than the move simply breaking down. It's probably fruitless comparing him to Seymour, however, as their styles are wildly differing. Wire are fortunate to have Briers and Monaghan in the same side, both of whom are more creative than anyone we have. If Myler is successful in feeding off that creativity, he's doing his job, IMO.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 3078 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Think he's done quite well, his kicking game is inconsistent but overall have being impressed. needs a regular partner with him and full back joining the line.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10540 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"He seems to have a habit of getting himself into the right positions to feed off the breaks of others, though. That's what a good half back should do. There were a couple of instances yesterday where we made half breaks and better backing up might have resulted in something more than the move simply breaking down. It's probably fruitless comparing him to Seymour, however, as their styles are wildly differing. Wire are fortunate to have Briers and Monaghan in the same side, both of whom are more creative than anyone we have. If Myler is successful in feeding off that creativity, he's doing his job, IMO.'"
It is one of the things a good half back should do, just as it’s one of the things any good fullback, 3/4, and hooker should do. I think it’s a strange inconsistency to say you want a halfback to be able to create something out of nothing and then hold Myler up as offering more than Seymour, as I personally have only ever really seen him feed off the work/mistakes of others. He ‘creates’ very little, but he does exploit very well.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10852 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2018 | Aug 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote carl_spackler="carl_spackler"It is one of the things a good half back should do, just as it’s one of the things any good fullback, 3/4, and hooker should do. I think it’s a strange inconsistency to say you want a halfback to be able to create something out of nothing and then hold Myler up as offering more than Seymour, as I personally have only ever really seen him feed off the work/mistakes of others. He ‘creates’ very little, but he does exploit very well.'"
I don't think he'd be any better than Seymour at the creative side, don't get me wrong. I just think that the other aspects of his attacking game (his running and backing up) are a little better. In truth, neither would be the answer as the main playmaker. We need someone else for that. No inconsistencies here.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 9043 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2023 | Jul 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Useless having a 7 who can't play when his stand off partner isn't available isn't it
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 756 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2016 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| seymour has still outplayed dobson on both games this season.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10540 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"I don't think he'd be any better than Seymour at the creative side, don't get me wrong. I just think that the other aspects of his attacking game (his running and backing up) are a little better. In truth, neither would be the answer as the main playmaker. We need someone else for that. No inconsistencies here.'"
I think where we disagree is that you don't think Myler's any better than Seymour creatively, whereas I don't think he's even as good. Not even close, really.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 3231 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Nov 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| He is the best scrum half we have had for several years. I'm not counting Dykes because he was so rarely fit.
|
|
|
 |
|