Similarly it's daft how someone in 2nd can win the ''sl title?''

What does the L stand for in "SL title"?

You can't lambast a new concept for not taking off straight away, then suggest we create a new one and give it time if it doesn't take off straight away. It's hypocritical. Origin in Aus was a pretty much instant success BTW. It wasn't as big as it is now, but it was still a huge game.



As BP1 excellently puts, it's more than just two areas competing. There's underlying values that we can't artificially replicate. Our game has been quite insular, sticking to its northern values. Until there is some significant expansion, we will NEVER be able to replicate Origin. Lancs/Yorks will not catch the imagination of the nation anymore than an Exiles game will.





How long do you think it should take? And what is that opinion based on?

If we have two referees, they wouldn't need to be as high quality. They're essentially doing the job of one person. One 4-star ref and one 3-star would be just as good as (if not better than) a 5-star ref alone surely?

How many of our current officials would you rate as even 3 star quality?

The England v Exiles has come about as an opportunity for England to develop more as a team in a competitive environment to better prepare us for World Cup's, 4 Nations, etc. You can't do that with Yorks v Lancs and what about players from outside these two counties who don't qualify? For me we stick with the Exiles but only one weekend game for the foreseeable future and never at the Galpharm.



Also need Video Ref at every game, it's a joke that this does not already happen, and I don't buy the cost issue, you don't need a big screen (unless you have a hook up anyway i.e KC Stadium), and don't have to have as many camera angles, just enough to have a better chance of getting some of the poor decisions correct.

Many of the Lancashire lot say they don't care about the Roses rivalry, which is a shame, but what can you do? It takes two.



Promotion and relegation would be desirable. But it only works if the gap between SL and the Championship is bridgeable. To narrow the gap you'd have to put money into the second tier, and that'd have to come from the Sky cash which the SL teams rely so heavily on. SL2? Unlikely, I suspect.

If we did have P&R, you could cut the play-off places, without it there would be too many dead rubbers. I do think the play-off system is bloated and would simplify it.



I'd personally like to see the League winners as Champions, and a Premiership end of season trophy, but it probably/certainly wouldn't be the event the GF is.

Agree.





You can not buy the cost issue all you like, it doesn't make it not an issue. It's been estimated to cost around £250,000 to get this at every game. The amount you'll be paying for cameras, cameramen, technicians, etc. cannot be ignored. It all adds up to around £1.5-2k a game.

If marketed correctly and if it got full backing off players and coaches it doesn't if it's yorks v lancs, blondes v brunnettes or veggies v carnivores. You'll get to see 34 of the best players go hard at it.

Marketing can 'enhance profiles', 'reach target demographics' - all that . But to succeed you need something genuine and spontaneous at the heart of it or it won't last.



I'd stick with the Exiles fixture, though one game a year looks to be enough.

Regards to the Exiles game it's a great one off game but if we want a series like SOO Yorks vs Lans would be better idea.



I dont know what ppl may think about this but i've always thought about a 5 nations comp try and help develop this games in the other home nations and get more ppl watching, supporting and playing the rugby.

Scrap the England farce and bring back Great britain when playing for a shirt meant something!!!!

bring back proper tours where the Oz and NZ teams play the top 8 sides as well as three test sides and then see if they can win a series now!!!

have a mid season break and at that point play the WCC when our top teams are up to speed not cold as xmas leftovers after one match .

sod the roses games they were dour at best but bring in maybe a series of three matches throughout the season where last year top three sides in SL play the top three sides in the NRL in a sort of mini cup , now that would attract viewing......

exiles is a decent concept but as usual the rfl dont know their ass from their elbow about planning or execution of them hence they are badly followed