Put it this way - if a bookies were offering odds on Hull to make the top 8 or to be in the bottom 2 - I know which one would

be well odds on!

Well I say we will. Can't beat a bit of blind optimism

Favourites to finish bottom 3 with most bookies as far as i know.

In terms of points available and the current state of the bottom six, there is still all to play for.



However, even when we win, we fail to convince that we are anything other than one of the four to drop down come August.

Predicting anything in 2015 is proving to be hazardous, but my feeling is we'll be 10th or 11th come the split.

Going to be really close IMO. I think the cut-off may be around 20 points, so 5-6 wins should be enough. On the face of it, we have 7 games we should really be looking at for wins (Rovers twice, Wakey twice, Widnes, Cas and Catalan). Claiming results in those will be crucial because it takes points away from our rivals at the same time. If we can get an unexpected result elsewhere, can we bat at 71% in those 7 games? Were we to lose more than 2 of those I think it will be difficult.

second worst attack in the league, doesn't look like we have a clue in general...I'd say no, we will not make the top 8. I think bottom 3 for us this season.



going from 2 top 6 finished and a cc final to bottom 3 in last 2 season (if that's where we finish this season) I think radders is doing a cracking job

I would have to say that on current form we wont make the top 8 and will have to really raise our game if we are to do so.

But but but when Ellis comes back were gonna become world beaters

For me its a NO purely and simply because we look so clueless when it comes to scoring.



Defence is ok but our toothless attack and the total lack of options/angled runners/dummy runners and any attacking flair is just non existant and that is why we won't. We have players who have the ability to off load but just dont use this to any advantage and support play and running onto the ball seems to be a no no as we are only to happy to receive the ball whilst stood. For mine Radford is just reading out of the Bradford Bulls play book from 2K onwards and taking the club even further backwards than we were last season.



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So your trying to tell us that Radford tells the players not to back up?not to run on to the ball? last season we scored more points then we did in 2013 under gentle. Yes we lack the things you say but what your saying is basic rugby something every player is taught from schoolboy age ,if you think that Radford is stopping them from doing the basics and its not the players then your kidding yourself

More voices in your head?

There's a difference between stopping someone doing something and actively encouraging it through coaching and training. It's clear we don't do it as a team Virtually no one in the squad does it so are you saying this is some kind of collective memory loss, players lacking in ability (if it is then who has recruited them?) or simply them deciding not to do it?