Please could you tell me why I would be hounding the head of HSBC?

Is this not the bank who took no government money, never stopped selling mortgages and also is a leader in lending to small businesses?



I think if you are going to talk about economic and business factors you need to straighten your facts out o mighty one.

If it was done in house that would explain a lot.

Guys - When it comes to the £700k for HMRC you must remember that this is a potentially an over-inflated figure and may or may not prove to be have been owed in the longer term!



It will include the many years of the disputed back-tax that HMRC are demanding off all Rugby League clubs for overseas image and pensions rights. I suspect that the majority of that figure is attributable to these monies and not other tax and VAT payments. Obviously Leeds are fighting this is a test case and assuming that RL get the same deal as RU then only 20% of those monies will hopefully be owed to HMRC. This means that HMRC may only ultimatley have been owed as little as £140k.

I have never been pleased with the way things have been run at the club going back way before Ted, I like most fans reckon I could do it better which of course we couldn't.



There was a lot left to be desired by the old regime. Rotten PR, a tragic lack of attention to detail, an element of nepotism though none that I saw that was truly detrimental to the club although it's this bit that really seems to get under peoples skin - human nature and jealousy I suspect. Ted was also poor IMO at generating alternative revenue. However overall he did a decent enough job under the constraints he was working in.



The crux of whether you accept my argument is this. If as I believe there were never any other serious/better buyers/owners for the club than Ted in his 15 years in charge then he did a great job because the alternative was oblivion. Alternatively and I really need proof on this if you believe there were BETTER alternatives and Ted turned them down for selfish motives then you have good cause not to be pleased.



Either way the club was not left in such a bad way as no one wanted it, indeed were in fact willing to pay. The club IMO is viable, however it's only viable because it's now clear of all the historical debt the old regime was bogged down in. AG has a clean slate, something Ted could only dream of as he inherited club already in debt.



However before you accuse me of a pro Ted rant I actually think Andrew Glover is more capable of taking the club forward than Ted even if Ted had ever had the same relative financial luxury as AG does. Glover just seems more dynamic and reactive even taking the newness of it all into consideration. I feel sorry for Ted because most of the accusations against him are unfair or unfounded - that said I don't want him back. It will take a bit more than what we have seen so far from AG for me to give him the accolades some do, but I can't see any reason not to admit he's made a good and refreshing start - but there is a long way to go yet that's all I'm saying.

You are Ted I claim my £5

Perm any bank you want, the point is the same - if you are that indignant have a go at them and be a real Robin Hood. HSBC, they are in your opinion a beacon of goodness? Ok, so let's change it to mis sold PPI's shall we. Or are you going to deny that one, I'm guessing you work for them judging by your prompted response





Cut the o mighty one nonsense, it makes you look childish.

Do we know when this is likely to be resolved?

The amount of £20k does seem a small amount for someone to recieve for Sam and Fergy. If the club had been bought for £50k, would we have kept them?

Been with HSBC/Midland for 30 years, they wouldn't help me when I needed it, they are all the same , no customer loyalty

How does it make me work for them?



I am just saying that for all the flack the banks take some are much better than others and if you are going to pass judgement you need to have correct facts!



I do not want to get into an argument about the banks themselves, what I stated earlier is that I dont think things are black and white here, and if is the case that the board withdrew funds that they should not have then the creditors should be annoyed, and as you said earlier, thats just business then in my eyes that is potentially a way of doing business that they should not have done!

I dont claim to know the ins and outs and how things work, but surely when we went into the CVA last time (after Pearman) the financial restraints for Ted/The club must have eased, leaving us with an almost clean slate??

I certainly haven't heard anything for a while on this. I think Leeds are basically looking to challenge HMRC in the High Court and suspect if a deal is to be done, it will be done on the High Court steps just before the hearing, so to speak. I understand that many thinkc Leeds to have a strong case and after all, all the RL wants is the same deal as RU... a deal HMRC are currently reluctant to do!



Of course it is no longer a problem for Wakey, but could be a big problem for other clubs!