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| Quote vastman="vastman"Is it really that big?
By the I mean it's still 17 what you would call first choice players - it's the penultimate game of the season and as far as I'm aware we are yet to blood any first year contract players let alone any Academy lads.
Not too bad really all things considered.'"
If Chester did have any other players to pick from then it is a ridiculous decision to put the likes of England and Kirmond in the 19 when they have no chance of playing.
I did question the same though tbf.
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| Quote homme vaste="homme vaste"He has a heart the size of a pea, you want to hope you never find yourself in tough times as he will be the first one to wave the white flag and decide he cant be bothered to play for your team anymore. In all seriousness I would not even think about swapping him for a player like Woody as he seems to give 100% no matter what.'"
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You are literally clueless. Can guarantee if an opposition player breaks, he will charge back despite never having a prayer of winning a foot race, eg maloudi try 2 week ago, even though the game was dusted.
He's been the cornerstone of our side this year, shuffled into the halves when we've had a fair amount of injuries.
Could it not be that it just didn't work out for Macca at wakefield but he has developed immensely at Cas working with Powell since then? I know for a fact he is 1 of our most passionate players.
I really like kyle wood as a player and has improved himself to the point where he's more than an impact hooker, he's a good hooker. McShane is exceptional, effort and all.
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| Quote Towns88="Towns88"1
You are literally clueless. Can guarantee if an opposition player breaks, he will charge back despite never having a prayer of winning a foot race, eg maloudi try 2 week ago, even though the game was dusted.
He's been the cornerstone of our side this year, shuffled into the halves when we've had a fair amount of injuries.
Could it not be that it just didn't work out for Macca at wakefield but he has developed immensely at Cas working with Powell since then? I know for a fact he is 1 of our most passionate players.
I really like kyle wood as a player and has improved himself to the point where he's more than an impact hooker, he's a good hooker. McShane is exceptional, effort and all.'"
Unfortunately you are the one that is clueless old boy, I watched him in a struggling team week in week out and he was dire, 0 effort and it showed, He just could not be bothered. I don`t think you quite got my post though. I saw Scott Moore as a better option in that team, in fact if we did not make the swap some would say there would be a chance we would be in the championship right now.
I would not want him in my team.
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| Quote homme vaste="homme vaste"Unfortunately you are the one that is clueless old boy, I watched him in a struggling team week in week out and he was dire, 0 effort and it showed, He just could not be bothered. I don`t think you quite got my post though. I saw Scott Moore as a better option in that team, in fact if we did not make the swap some would say there would be a chance we would be in the championship right now.
I would not want him in my team.'"
Where are they both now?
I also know that McShane was injured when he came to us, so had been playing damaged for you. He didn't play for us at all in 2015 despite signing in the June.
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| Quote Towns88="Towns88"Where are they both now?
I also know that McShane was injured when he came to us, so had been playing damaged for you. He didn't play for us at all in 2015 despite signing in the June.'"
We all know what a grub Moore is off the field however it cannot be denied by anyone who understands the game that Moore is or was the better player.
Powell spotted quickly that Moore was to much of a risk and got the deal that suited him but that doesn't alter the truth.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"We all know what a grub Moore is off the field however it cannot be denied by anyone who understands the game that Moore is or was the better player.'"
Give over old bean.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"We all know what a grub Moore is off the field however it cannot be denied by anyone who understands the game that Moore is or was the better player.
Powell spotted quickly that Moore was to much of a risk and got the deal that suited him but that doesn't alter the truth.'"
Seriously, you honestly believe that?
Powell spotted how rank Moore was and did a deal for a player he could develop.
The proof is in the pudding.
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| Quote Davc1h="Davc1h"The proof is in the pudding.'"
Harsh - he's a bit chunky, but pudding?!
I can't see why this is controversial - McShane was garbage for us in large part; he clearly didn't want to be here and looked disinterested and/or frustrated most of the time. Conversely, he's been great for Cas.
It's not that difficult.
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| Quote Davc1h="Davc1h"Seriously, you honestly believe that?
Powell spotted how rank Moore was and did a deal for a player he could develop.
The proof is in the pudding.'"
Not the sharpest tool in the box are we - read my post again.
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| Quote Towns88="Towns88"icon_lol.gif
Give over old bean.'"
Are you for real? Moore's ability has never been in doubt it's his attitude and total lack self control that is. He should have been the best 9 of his generation when at Saints but simply couldn't behave.
You're inability to differentiate between a players ability and his attitude as a human being is stunning but not surprising.
So again, player for player - when Moore on the occasions when he had his head screwed on was a far better hooker than McShane IMO and personally I don't have a big issue with McShane you're welcome to him, nor do I give a toss what Moores up to these days other than knowing he brought it on himself.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Not the sharpest tool in the box are we - read my post again.'"
Oh the irony!!
Saying Moore is/was a better player shows how much you understand the game.
Your reputation is well earned!!!!!
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| Quote Davc1h="Davc1h"Oh the irony!!
Saying Moore is/was a better player shows how much you understand the game.
Your reputation is well earned!!!!!'"
Dear god, you do realise he was twice capped for England, has McShane?
You're inability to understand true talent however wayward is quite hilarious.
My reputation is well earned and you're another notch on my belt 
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You're inability to understand true talent however wayward is quite hilarious.
My reputation is well earned and you're another notch on my belt
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Deluded my friend, enjoy tonight.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Are you for real? Moore's ability has never been in doubt it's his attitude and total lack self control that is. He should have been the best 9 of his generation when at Saints but simply couldn't behave.
You're inability to differentiate between a players ability and his attitude as a human being is stunning but not surprising.
So again, player for player - when Moore on the occasions when he had his head screwed on was a far better hooker than McShane IMO and personally I don't have a big issue with McShane you're welcome to him, nor do I give a toss what Moores up to these days other than knowing he brought it on himself.'"
I very much doubt it vasty! Saints at that time had cunningham and roby as hookers! Think you will find scotty was a scrum half when he started as a 16 year old at saints.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Dear god, you do realise he was twice capped for England, has McShane?
You're inability to understand true talent however wayward is quite hilarious.
My reputation is well earned and you're another notch on my belt
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Moore was also selected for the Super League Dream Team at Hooker when playing for Shudds. What a waste of a talent.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Dear god, you do realise he was twice capped for England, has McShane?
You're inability to understand true talent however wayward is quite hilarious.
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Matt Cook has played for England, is he a better player than Craig Huby ?
McShane still has time to get international recognition. Most people who know the game (unlike you) have made a point of saying he must be hammering down the door for England.
Scott Moore couldn't do some of the things Macca can, nor did he have a brain like Macca or an ability to read the game.
Hope that helps.
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| Quote cheshirecat57="cheshirecat57"I very much doubt it vasty! Saints at that time had cunningham and roby as hookers! Think you will find scotty was a scrum half when he started as a 16 year old at saints.'"
Not the point is it 
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| Quote Towns88="Towns88"Matt Cook has played for England, is he a better player than Craig Huby ?
McShane still has time to get international recognition. Most people who know the game (unlike you) have made a point of saying he must be hammering down the door for England.
Scott Moore couldn't do some of the things Macca can, nor did he have a brain like Macca or an ability to read the game.
Hope that helps.'"
Rubbish but then it's all about opinions isn't it and as ever Cas fans are over egging it as they did with Joe Westerman (remember him, greatest player of his generation).
Let me let you into a secret - Cas are a good team but that doesn't automatically make every player in it a great player.
You put McShane in against the Aussies and they would skin him alive because as noted on here he lacks ticker and then lets see how 'smart' and how 'gifted' he is compared to Moore who had way to much.
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| No need for rolling eyes vasty just trying to put you right on the facts about thing you dont know!
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| Quote Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Moore was also selected for the Super League Dream Team at Hooker when playing for Shudds. What a waste of a talent.'"
You but Cas fans will never allow truth, stats or just basic reality to get in the way.
I always though Moore had talent but I didn't realise how much until he played for us and he was well past his best at that point.
Could of, should of unfortunately.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Rubbish but then it's all about opinions isn't it and as ever Cas fans are over egging it as they did with Joe Westerman (remember him, greatest player of his generation).
Let me let you into a secret - Cas are a good team but that doesn't automatically make every player in it a great player.
You put McShane in against the Aussies and they would skin him alive because as noted on here he lacks ticker and then lets see how 'smart' and how 'gifted' he is compared to Moore who had way to much.'"
He played for us twice so I think we are entitled to our views on scott Moore. As for Westerman, also capped by England! Though I'd argue he could have had a better career but liked to party too much. When bigging up a young player I was more in the Daryl Clark camp. He's not a bad player is he?
I know that not all our players are great, I think our wingers and centres aren't particularly great. But our 9 is.
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| Quote cheshirecat57="cheshirecat57"No need for rolling eyes vasty just trying to put you right on the facts about thing you dont know!'"
Fair enough but I did know that it just wasn't relevant, that's why I said he should or could have become the best number nine of his generation. In fact I suppose logically he should have become the best no 7 which is possibly a more prestigious position.
Robey would have been a tricky one I admit whilst Cunningham came from a previous generation. What's sad is Moore never really got close other than in 2009 because he suffered from a mental illness - i.e. he was and probably still is a total wally off the pitch which few would deny.
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| Quote Towns88="Towns88"He played for us twice so I think we are entitled to our views on scott Moore. As for Westerman, also capped by England! Though I'd argue he could have had a better career but liked to party too much. When bigging up a young player I was more in the Daryl Clark camp. He's not a bad player is he?
I know that not all our players are great, I think our wingers and centres aren't particularly great. But our 9 is.'"
He's great for you I wouldn't deny that, same as Woody is for us - but neither imho are actually great players.
Also I'm not convinced Clarke has exactly fulfilled his potential.
Anyway I'm now certain McShane will have a blinder against us tonight 
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| Quote Towns88="Towns88"He played for us twice so I think we are entitled to our views on scott Moore. As for Westerman, also capped by England! Though I'd argue he could have had a better career but liked to party too much. When bigging up a young player I was more in the Daryl Clark camp. He's not a bad player is he?
I know that not all our players are great, I think our wingers and centres aren't particularly great. But our 9 is.'"
I'd have Clark over McShane at 9 all day long and had you not needed some cash (at the time), I'm pretty sure that everyone over t'common would have liked to keep hold of him instead.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"He's great for you I wouldn't deny that, same as Woody is for us - but neither imho are actually great players.
Also I'm not convinced Clarke has exactly fulfilled his potential.'"
Went backwards under TS but has been better this year plus he's far more of a pro than Westerman ever was. Still relatively young really at 25 and has played at Wembley 3 times and for England,
Maybe McShane didn't have heart for you, or thats how you perceived it but he certainly does for us, he's often stand out in a losing cause this season. To say he doesn't have a ticker or heart is just plain wrong. The Aussies wouldn't skin him alive either, he has that element of housary in him, he'd do alright.
I do think McShane will play for England at some point.
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