No, I use the "veiw your posts" facility on these boards like everyone else. Sorry to spoil this thread with reality and facts.

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Facts are one thing the IPitch argument doesn't have, so in the absence of any there is going to be much speculation.

This is now the second team moaning (and now seeking RFL dispensation to wear tights!!), and another injured player, and it's only game two.

Your going to have a busy season playing defence strokes on other teams forums me thinks!!!

And that’s all I’m doing, except I’m posting a few, inconvenient, facts. Unfortunately, there seems to be an awful lot of hysterical miss-information that I felt to be totally unreasonable.



I see nothing unreasonable put forward by me. I’ve even admitted that I’m not too sure about the surface yet. But I am willing to give it a chance.



If this surface does prove itself, it would make the building of stadiums far easier and more affordable. Because it can be used to make money and be used by the local community. These new stadiums can be a millstone around a clubs neck, financially. I think Wakefield, of all SL clubs, should be hoping that this works out.

What/where are the few inconvenient facts?

On the contrary, there’s plenty of facts about 4G pitches. They have been used in the US at Pro and college level NFL, have been used in Russia and Scotland in Soccer as it is FIFA approved and one has been in place at the LSV and used by amateur clubs for a few years now. Plus, there have been exhaustive tests done by the manufacturer.



The only question is, is it suitable for pro RL?



There has already been quite a few games held on it and, so far, there has not been a single injury that can be put down to the ipitch. None, not one, club that has used it so far, have made any official complaint about it, or shown any concern that it is causing serious injuries to players.

The effect the pitch has on footballers and NFL players is hugely different and cannot be used as anykind of benchmark for RL.

The speculation we have are after round three are plain for all to see and read in the press.

The facts we have are injured players, moaning players, teams seeking dispensation to wear additional kit and interest in a surface that has zero to back it up.

Incedentaly these are two teams that have won on the pitch, so its hardly sour grapes is it? God forbid you ever beat anyone on it!!!!!

The other fact of course is until this pitch has fully satisfied all interested parties, you are going to be on the back foot.

Ahhh that'll be that big river in Egypt then

Widnes Vikings have issued a statement regarding the injury of Prop Ben Kavanagh and the suggested cause of the injury.



Prop Ben Kavanagh will be out for six months, after he collapsed on the artificial 4G surface after catching the ball unopposed in the first half. Salford captain Stephen Wild commented on the injury to the press, which suggested the injury may or may not be to down to the artificial surface:



“I am not saying whether it was the pitch or not, But we had another injury in the Under-20s and so I have still got queries about it. It probably is the future. But I don’t know if it’s the right pitch at this time – thankfully, we don’t have to come back.”



Widnes have replied by issuing the following statement:



"In relation to recent press speculation regarding the injury to Ben Kavanagh at the game against Salford on Sunday 19th February, the Widnes Vikings Medical Department confirms that the injury to Ben was an Achilles tendon rupture which occurred in a recognised mechanism for that injury following rapid dorsi flexion and plantar flexion of the ankle when pushing off to sprint.



The club wishes to state that this is an unfortunate injury but has no direct link to the performance of the pitch."



So Widnes say it's nothing to do with the pitch, it was just an unfortunate accident that could have happened on plain old grass and mud.

Yes, it was. I was there and saw it clearly. His foot didn't catch on the pitch. Have ruptured achiles tendons never occured on a grass pitch?



Do you really think that the Widnes Vikings would actually make up a story just to justify keeping the ipitch?



Do you really think they would knowingly put their own players at risk in the process?

Does it need a reboot?

That’s who’s opinion? Yours?





There’s really nothing with any validity. Just some sensationalism which offers nothing in the way of facts. The latest story in the Mirror is just about the poorest argument against it I’ve ever seen. Wilde contradicted himself and offered absolutely nothing to support his initial statement that Kav’s foot got stuck in the pitch. It didn’t. I saw the incident clearly. He stepped back, caught the ball, and the injury occurred as he stepped from the back foot. He collapsed. There was no catching of his studs in the pitch. The patch of ground would have lifted with his foot, had it caught. It didn’t. The reporter was clearly just fishing for scandal and asking Wilde leading questions. Wild even said “I am not saying whether it was the pitch or not”, so he can’t even get his moan striaght. He also states that these pitches could be the future.



If you are using speculative and sensationalist rubbish from the press to back up your accusations, those acusations are worthless.





Only one Widnes player wore under armour. Only four Salford players wore tights. I’ve not heard any complaints from either team about bad grazing. The only person who has actually kicked up any fuss is Mathers. That’s not really conclusive proof of anything.





Absolutely. That’s what I’m saying. But if people are blaming every injury on the ipitch, regardless of whether it is fact or not, don’t you think that is a stupid, backward attitude?