Huddersfield are an established team under an established coach. With the possible exception of Griffin's departure, all they've done is tweaked the team and added quality where they could find it, and have been doing this for the last few seasons. They know how to play together as a unit, have established structures and patterns of play, and in Danny Brough, a player who is good enough to conjure wins for most teams, including poor ones. Added to the fact that we couldn't even buy a win against them in the years when they were garbage, and you have the perfect recipe for another defeat.

I think you arn't grasping what TRB's point is. Its not about structures,patterns,bonding as a unit. Its about good old fashioned in yer face rugby league. Its about you may win but its going to really hurt you if you want to take the two points from us. Its about when the opposition leaves the pitch no matter what the final result says they will know they have had one hell of a battle.



All this gelling mullarky talk is what you hear fom puff ball pundits. We are talking blood and guts rugby league, as yet both TRB and myself appear to be the only ones to notice its missing.

I'm somewhere in the middle on this, i think time is important, and as time progresses we WILL improve, but there is certainly one glaring gap in our squad thats missing and that is a goal kicker, if its Collis and he is not fit to do it, why the hell is he playing, his groin is unlikely to mend (if thats the idea) by playing week in week out.

Bring Morton in to kick move Walshaw or Cockayne or whoever into his position and let the lad rest so he can do his job right.

Whoever you choose to blame Elston or Agar, someone has made an embarrassing mistake and i hope note is duly taken by Glover, in case of any further embarrassing mistakes in the future. Not remedying it, in team selection clearly lands with Agar so he needs to sort it out.

I think as JITB says quite rightly a good old fashioned kick up the is in order and no doubt will have some effect, but i dont think we are lacking in mongrel as the OP suggests, and i would rather have a team playing the game right, than watching a team of cheats like Wigan.

I'm perfectly aware of the point he's trying to make, just highlighting a few of the strengths of the opposition to try and illustrate why a bit of old fashioned bollock-grabbing and tit-tweaking is not going to be enough to beat a good side like that, especially when you're still trying to work out what you want to do with the ball yourselves.



Even good teams need time to find themselves again when faced with big changes. For all the nastiness of Bailey and his partners in crime, Leeds were tripe when McDermott took over. At one stage, they even looked doubtful for the play offs, but went on to win the GF. Do you think they managed this by cranking up the thuggery level an extra notch or two, discovering a bit more "mongrel", or by learning to play the way the new coach wanted them to? It didn't happen overnight, even though they went pretty well in all their pre-season friendlies...

there is plenty of mongrels in belle vue every week, by the looks of some of them they breathe through their gills .

They can't all be pretty boys like you can they?

its just a case of looking normal



some of them i would hesitate to leave near children



when Mutants attack



btw who is that bald guy who stands behind the duggouts. always comes out with some belting comedy comments.



had a special case stood behind me on sunday , some dude whispering come on trin my ear i nearly phoned the police for assault

Think thats the bloke that Beans fell out with.

Seems to me that TRB has completely changed character lately. makes me wonder whats changed, the guy would go to the end of the earth to defend what most would consider indefensible in recent seasons when we have been playing much worse than we currently are. Regardless of how down in the dumps affairs on and off the field where, the club, players and coaching staff would have been defended to the hilt, with plenty of reasoning offered as to why things wouldn't ever really improve until we got a stadium and as a Trinity fan all we could reasonably expect was to be scratching about towards the bottom of the league. Even when we was playing some terrible stuff and moral was at an alltime low it was always phrases like "silk purse out of sows ears" and "rome wasnt built in a day" and the war cry would go out, but just lately when most reasonable fans are getting pretty much what we expected with a whole new squad of players and a whole new coaching set up, its a different story.



Can't put my finger on whats different now compared to then, but something must have..... Maybe an axe to grind because no crumbs are being swept off the top table for feeding on perhaps?

what a legend

he could be having a sympathetic man period.

I think the stats showed we had more play the balls and more possession in their 20. What we couldn;t do was break them down often enough to make use of that advantage. That to me doesn't sound like a team who aren't giving their all. More a team not yet cohesive enough or composed enough to overcome a very good top of the table team, one which as RR says has been developing over the last 2/3 years. I just can't agree with your and TRB's assessment of the game/players. The Giants are a better team with very good line defence which we couldn't break down. We did OK sunday and there is definitely something there to build on