Well winning the league doesn't matter, be realistic everyone knows that. You just have to win enough games to get into the playoffs then begin your genuine form.

If you win the WCC you're regarded as the best club team in the world. Doesn't really get any bigger.

If the players were happy to lose as it didn't matter where you finished then hull would be top if the league every year!

If a team takes it like that then they must know they dont have the quality to play at the top level of RL for a full season.

I agree actually. However it is the way it is, and thats what we teams need to do to become champions in our sport.



Leeds really highlighted the weakness of the structure winning it from 5th.



Poeple might like the unpredictable nature of the playoffs, personally I'd sooner have a league where whoever wins is crowded champs. Then possibly a playoff system for another trophy like we had the premiership years back.



Or at least give the league winners a bye to the final.

Is this post for real?



I've never said a team's happy to lose. You're read into that. And no I don't think any team is happy to lose. But teams can rotate squads, players resting players to ensure the best players are fit and fresh for the 'business end' of the season. At times top players will be rested whereas if winning the league was the be all and end all they'd play.



You must be able to see that.

No need for name calling this is a place for discussion. And that's right you didn't I was highlighting that Wigan didn't need any excuses in that comp, as they won it.

Hudds didn't make it to the final. Wigan did, and won it.

I do actually. And you need to learn to expand on your responses to pinpoint your area of discussion, otherwise it's pointless.

Not being arrogant at all, just sticking to the facts. When it matters Wigan will beat Hudds. Because they can. We ended the season winning both comps, was this a fluke? Obviously not.

You did beat Wigan at home and all it got you was a contribution to the LLS, a comp which the top teams don't care about.

Hudds were always the team Wigan wanted in the playoffs, home or away as they're weaker than Leeds and Wire. (Which didn't matter anyway as we beat said teams to become champs)

Everything can be proven or disproven in isolation. Was Wigan's double a fluke??? Not really but Hull had the most inept Wembley showing in living memory and the Cherry and Whites were little better. They hit form in the play offs and were the best side for last September but most years that mantle goes to Leeds and doubt many Wigan fans would bow down to them year on year. If anything last season gave hope to any stuttering side with injuries as Wigan needed no excuses when the odds were against them but momentum is key in sport and once on a roll Wigan hit the jackpot. If circumstances are similar and they repeat the feat is a totally different matter but their youngsters might make success breed success and they might not stutter into the play offs at all.

This is the same nonsense that Leeds fans were spouting up until 2013 about not caring about the league and peaking for the playoffs.



In reality the playoffs are a cup competition and as such any team in them can win, albeit that they are supposed to be stacked towards the higher finishing teams.



Was Wigan's winning of both Trophies a fluke. No but equally there were plenty of moments where fate was on their side.



In the CC Wigan played Leigh, Hull KR, Widnes,London and Hull. The easiest path to a Challenge cup victory ever. The games may not have been flukes but the draw was.



In the Playoffs they peaked at the right time. Everyone was trying to do this and Wigan did it best it. But did Shaun Wane want to go into the playoffs in the shocking form Wigan were in. of course he didn't.



In any event all that is history. let's see who has bragging rights at the end of the season.

Most intelligent people can follow the thread of a debate without needing the obvious pointing out.



So if you do know the difference between fact and opinion



You must just be a big fat troll then.

I might not bother going to this game- what's the point when according to Wigan fans their players aren't bothered if they win........