Not whinging. Just stating that they should be out doing their jobs, like me, and countless millions others have to.

Take a look outside on the road tonight when you go home. There will be loads of HGVs out there. YOU DRIVE THE VEHICLE TO HOW THE CONDITIONS DICTATE. Bin lorries have gone out in compacted snow/ice before.



Quite apt, Rob Wire, that your avatar, is that of a bone idle copper, who doesn't want to do any work!

Which point are you failing to grasp, your above comment is comical. The HGV`s your referring too don`t operate in residential side streets due to weight limits of which the weight limits are their for a reason, most of the main trunk and A roads are clear, its the side roads that are dangerous as they don`t get gritted and thats where the bin lorries operate which is also where kids play in the street and people park cars.







As for the lazy copper comment, for most of my life ive worked 6 days a week including saturday mornings then played amatuer RL on a saturday afternoon straight from work, anyway the bin crews would prefer to be working now because like i said earlier in the thread they will miss out on a lot of xmas tips if their not out and about in the lead up to xmas

I had some parcels delivered via HGV today.

OF COURSE HGV's DON'T GO DOWN SIDE STREETS (do I need to state the bleedin' obvious to you). I was simply using the analogy, that HGVs are out there, driving to the conditions. If, and WHEN, the bin lorries do go out, they should do the same. They CRAWL down sidestreets when in conditions like this. After all, they aren't known for their speed (they should be crawling in good conditions, too. After all, they are going nowhere quickly). They've managed to do this in years gone past, in winters just as bad.

Going home now, where I shall be driving on clear roads, then onto side streets, where I shall drive to what the conditions dictate.

That will be from the pressure that a lot of courier companies put on drivers, its one of the lowest paid areas of driving where the drivers get treated like a door matt in the main. I wouldn`t mind betting that if that driver had caused any damage in your street, road or private estate due to the conditions then they would have ripped into him by saying "why the hell did you go down their when it wasn`t safe ?" yet if he didn`t deliver your parcel they would have said "What are you doing bringing this back ? Its only a bit of ice".



Courier firms that operate 16 tonne vehicles have a special dispensation to operate in resedential areas due to the nature of their work, its at the drivers discretion if he goes down the road or not when the conditions are bad but if he damages anything whilst attempting to deliver a parcel then he will get a right verbal hammering when he gets back, maybe worse due to negligence.

totally agree..we are too wrapped up in red tape and having some numpty telling us what and what we cant do..christ sake just get on with it.we did many years ago..thing is when all this snow and ice goes and the binmen deem it fit to work in there will be a bit of a backlog of rubbish.no doubt the lazy sods will moan about the extra work...jesus they may have to work 5 or 6 days,

waste of a good pair of workboots.

I tip my hat to the binmen,it could be worse they could be walking the streets!!

Just take it the tip yourselves. Its not the end of world.How much waste does a average family produce. In my house they is 2 adults 2 children,and some weeks i dont need to take. The bin every bin day,stop moaning about it and do something about it.

Good for you. How does my friend with MS take her waste to the tip, or my 84 year old grandparent?

So basically what you are saying is the private sector delivers? Drivers who choose to work for courier firms are not forced to take the job.



They, the private sector couriers, are under the same litigation risk as WBC, drive heavy vehicles and are logistically affected (a lot more) by weather. Upshot is public sector failed, private sector succeeded.

Well if i had mate with MS i would take it for them,and i offer to take my grandparents at the same time.