THIS!!

Yep - it will be interesting to see what happens over those

It's a shame that the brawl has become the talking point of the match really, as without it Saints were on for a bloody good hiding.



For my twopenneth worth, if Hock has headbutted LMS then I've got no arguments with that. For Tuson and Magennis (who was a complete coward), 10 minutes each would have suffced. Mossop didn't need to get involved, and will probably get a worse ban than Tuson.

My opinion is that Hock deserved a yellow for throwing a few little punches, LMS didn't do anything to me. Magennis was a sh@thouse, hitting Tuson from behind completely separate from the initial scrap, yellow or possibly red due to his continuous punches to numerous players. Tuson reacted as expected all be it a tiny bit OTT, yellow.



Tuson - Sending off sufficient.

Hock - 1 game ban.

Magennis - 1/2 game ban.

Mossop - Warning due to exemplary record.

McLlorum - No case to answer, wasn't much in the high tackle IMO. Easily see 2 or 3 of them in a game.

Whether or not some people like 'the biff', punching is against the rules. In typical style Hock thoughtlessly lashed out at an opponent, provoking the brawl which effectively changed the course of the game. If Hock had behaved himself, or even just sneered at LMS, he may have scored another belter or two to match his first half try, and Wigan may have won by sixty points - going a long way for Pie fans as revenge for their 75-nil Saints defeat a few years ago. Don't think that the Aussies don't know this, which is why he can't play for England if we want to have 13 men on the field for more than ten minutes.

I think the whole thing was set up as far as Wigan are concerned. I would love to see the RFL disciplinary committee ask them why their front row was made up of the players it was, given that they weren't playing prop at the time they packed down and both were very keen on fighting.

Nowt wrong with a bit of biff - thought Kelvin Skerret was back when it 1st kicked off.



was good to watch but ateotd the rules state red card for vioeltn conduct so by the laws of the game they had to go.

A good point from Saddo there.



At 34-6 up in the derby with half an hour left, Wigan made a conscious decision to start a brawl and risk dismissals and suspensions.



Then again, we needed something to give us a challenge as Saints certainly weren't capable of providing it.

The game showed brilliantly the pros and cons of having Hock in your team. Devastating ball runner, but thick as two short planks. Quite why he was even bothering to try and get one over on LMS at that scoreline and point in the game I have no idea. All he needed to do was point to the scoreboard and laugh instead of starting or at least encouraging the start of a fight.

Hock was sent off for what has happenned in RL since the game started - a niggle in the scrum between two props results in a few punches attempting to be thrown.



Most of the time a penalty is given and the players told to calm down. Yellow cards at most to take the heat out.



To give only one a red seems slightly OTT - and probably down to Hock's reputation.



To then be banned for it is way OTT.



Hock and LMS weren't responsible for the brawl that errupted afterwards. Magennis was the player who then threw the next one - the majority of the blame for the brawl lies with him - otherwise it was just two props having a bit of a dust up.



Either way - if thaler had given 4 yellow cards no-one would be having this debate, and it completely takes away from where the real focus of the game should be - Wigan spanking Saints.

"Better to remain quiet and be thought an idiot, than to type something and prove it"



You had been already buried. Stains were the only team with a reason to get nasty and niggly. Lets not forget, we can only comment on what we saw, cameras don't always confirm a try for example. Yes we can have "benefit of the doubt", but can any of us truely say we know exactly what happened in minites and seconds leading up to the incident. You seem to speak with great authourity Saddo, but i don't recall seeing you on the pitch!! Or maybe you were wearing a Wellens mask, as a soon to be retired centre ran away from a, should be retired fullback.

How good was the touch judge's take on proceedings?



"That Magennis copped him with a right beauty"



Gold.