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| Let's put it this way for those who don't think the laws of physics should be applied to a game of RL...
Say a RL player can run at 100m in about 12.5s (so a nice round 8m/s).
Now, stand on the back of a pick-up truck going at 45km/h (or about 28mph) with a rugby ball and throw it directly backwards as it crosses a mark on a track. See how hard you have to throw it in order for it to stay behind that line.
Now bare in mind that this is a pretty fast speed with the ball being thrown DIRECTLY in the backwards direction. The rules the anti-physics lot are implying is that someone running directly forward with the ball basically cannot pass it without having to turn directly around (thus stopping their momentum) or stopping all together.
Basically, you want to slow the game down.
Also, work out how deep players would have to stand in order to be able to receive these non-physics backwards passes.
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| Quote Lost in Leeds="Lost in Leeds"Usain Bolt runs faster than that.
Surely you can appreciate the simple physics here.
Bolt starts from 0m/s, allows for a minimum response time of circa 0.15 secs, allows for the time it takes to accelerate from 0m/s/ upto his flat out speed and bingo'"
You forget that he's not running on a track in a vest. He's running on a rugby pitch with boots and a ball in hand. I remember being told by my sprint coach that he can run 100m on a football pitch in about 9.9 or something. Now imagine him with a ball in hand and looking for the pass as well as having to turn his body to the side!
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| Quote Kelvin's Ferret="Kelvin's Ferret"The point is that passing is the only part of the game I can think of where the actual direction of movement is not necessarily calculated as relative to fixed points on the ground, although the position of the players involved relative to those fixed positions is used to make a judgement about the direction the pass may travel in.'"
Apart from offside, what else needs to be?
Passing is the only rule where the direction the ball travels in matters, so why would their need to be similar rules for other parts of the game?
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"Apart from offside, what else needs to be?
Passing is the only rule where the direction the ball travels in matters*, so why would their need to be similar rules for other parts of the game?'"
*Knock on? 
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| Quote Geekay="Geekay"Many many years ago when I started watching the game, 63 years to be exact, the attacking line out covered nearly half the length of the field. If play was on the right handside halfway line the opposite winger in the line would be virtually on his own try line. Players were coached and taught to turn their bodies and pass not half a metre or even a metre backwards but 3 and 4 metres backwards.'"
Yes, and look at the difference in the speed of the game now. Much faster stuff.
Quote Geekay="Geekay"This modern day game of flat lines and "flat" passes has brought about what is perceived to be unlimited forward passes but I still don't think that a referee watches the players hands every time a ball is passed. There is absolutely no way that he does that and therefore many blatant forward passes are missed by him. '"
You don't even necessarily have to look at the direction of the hands. If the ball travels in front of the person passing it, it will 9/10 be a forward pass. It's only the change in velocity of the passer after the pass has been made that makes it particularly difficult to see.
Quote Geekay="Geekay"What I find fascinating watching the SL on TV is how it is always the home fans who shout "forward" when it's the opposition in possession but never when their own team are in possession.
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Why would the home fans want to help the other team!?
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| Quote tb="tb"*Knock on?
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Good shout.
Although, that's sort of an inadvertent pass to the floor (or opposing player!)
(Yes I know, deperate!)
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"Yes, and look at the difference in the speed of the game now. Much faster stuff.
Not necessarily faster passing along the line. The speed of the play the ball etc, is much faster but there were some very fast plays in attacking mode for us oldies. That's how fellas like Boston, Southward, Sullivan, Van Vollenhoven, etc scored so many tries.
You don't even necessarily have to look at the direction of the hands. If the ball travels in front of the person passing it, it will 9/10 be a forward pass. It's only the change in velocity of the passer after the pass has been made that makes it particularly difficult to see.
Which is brought about by the modern flat line plays!!!
Why would the home fans want to help the other team!?
There was some "rolleyes" emoticons after that comment.
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| Quote Geekay="Geekay"Not necessarily faster passing along the line. The speed of the play the ball etc, is much faster but there were some very fast plays in attacking mode for us oldies. That's how fellas like Boston, Southward, Sullivan, Van Vollenhoven, etc scored so many tries.'"
But you'd never see a player running forwards at full speed and passing the ball to his side then, which is why the game would be slower. The passing moves would be almost static.
Quote Geekay="Geekay"It's only the change in velocity of the passer after the pass has been made that makes it particularly difficult to see.'"
Not really. The ref should be looking at the direction of the ball in relation to the player in order to determine whether it is forward or not, so will be able to see any obvious changes in velocity that would/wouldn't affect the forward propulsion of the ball.
Quote Geekay="Geekay"
There was some "rolleyes" emoticons after that comment.'"
I know, I was just trying to see if anyone would make a smart-allick comment on that one! 
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"But you'd never see a player running forwards at full speed and passing the ball to his side then, which is why the game would be slower. The passing moves would be almost static'"
Alternatively, it would encourage a deep attack, just as he said.
Which I'm kinda partial to, to be honest!
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| Quote J. Willard Gibbs="J. Willard Gibbs"Alternatively, it would encourage a deep attack, just as he said.
Which I'm kinda partial to, to be honest!'"
But still slower, as players would have to stop or slow down in order to turn around.
And with the speed of the game as it is at the moment, these players would be wiped out by the defence before they could even pass the ball, resulting in no passing anyway!
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"But still slower, as players would have to stop or slow down in order to turn around.'"
... and the person moving onto the ball may well be moving faster, having run from deep as opposed to having to constantly check the run to prevent overrunning the guy with the ball.
Drives me nuts when wingers do that; why not just hang back another metre or two and make a full blooded run in support when the centre (or whoever) gets the ball? I know there's situations where you can't always do this, but I'd like to see more of it than we get at the mo.
So it's not quite as clear cut as you may think at first glance; you frequently have a guy passing having stopped or checked his speed anyway, it's not always passed at full tilt.
Quote Wellsy13And with the speed of the game as it is at the moment, these players would be wiped out by the defence before they could even pass the ball, resulting in no passing anyway!'"
Not sure I follow you here; if the defence is advancing, running full tilt into them gives you [iless[/i time to pass than you would have if you were running more slowly with the ball.
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| Quote J. Willard Gibbs="J. Willard Gibbs"... and the person moving onto the ball may well be moving faster, having run from deep as opposed to having to constantly check the run to prevent overrunning the guy with the ball.
Drives me nuts when wingers do that; why not just hang back another metre or two and make a full blooded run in support when the centre (or whoever) gets the ball? I know there's situations where you can't always do this, but I'd like to see more of it than we get at the mo.'"
Because by dropping back 3-4m more than before, you have to make up 3-4m more on the run, and that 3-4m gives the defence time to come and get you.
Elite sport is all about reducing things to the absolute minimum in order to get even the smallest advantages. This is one of them.
So it's not quite as clear cut as you may think at first glance; you frequently have a guy passing having stopped or checked his speed anyway, it's not always passed at full tilt.
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Not sure I follow you here; if the defence is advancing, running full tilt into them gives you [iless[/i time to pass than you would have if you were running more slowly with the ball.'"
No. Stopping or slowing your momentum to turn and pass the ball gives the defence more time to pick up on where they are passing the ball and who to, as well as more time to cover the ground.
The slower you advance forward, the more time the defence has to come and get you. The attack my have more time to make decisions as well, but they won't be making any ground.
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