Like I said before, go back and watch the game properly, your comments are a bit daft to be honest.



"The Ausies are lose to nick naming him the crab"





"Ineffective defence"





I havnt been back and studied his defensive game but I can tell you that for Lewis's and Inglis's tries Tomkins had made the tackle immediately preceding the try and cannot therefore be criticised for his defence in those cases.

I have watched the game a couple of times, Tomkins was in the tackle on at least one of the Australian tries and he was.



He was in the tackle before Lewis scored but it went through several hands and he was also there on Lewis at the end of the movement doing not much. 16:40



When Williams scored he off to the right of the play and had no part in the defence of the try. 29:56



When Inglis scored he was nowhere to be seen 43:19



Gallens try he was in the line and came over way to late 52:43



Boyd? Tomkins was walking across the field on the other side of the pitch after chasing Thurston. 72:09



Lawrences try Tomkins is jogging along the try line 30 yards away.



Is the English Fullback ever the last line of defence? it would appear not.



78:24

So your argument is that because Tomkins can't get involved in every tackle he's a poor defender?

Get a grip





Started Halls first try, played a great out of the backdoor pass for his 2nd and then set up that last try with another out the back door. Look a bit closer to home and Sinfield and Chase are non existant.



Sam was effictively playing 1 6 and 7 on Saturday. If only we had a few halves too.

It might have been twenty years ago bud but we're in the modern era now and the ability to attack now makes up more of the role than defending does.

Carmont, Finch Lealuai and Richards have been some of our best players recently. You're suggesting we didn't sign anyone and just keep Joel and Sam? Makes a lot of sense

No.



The fact he was slightly involved in defence on the person scoring the try on only one occasion was the point I was making.

If a fullback does not need positional sense and the ability to read a game and be close or around any attacking final move, why bother having a fullback? just have a random player that does whatever he likes and bobs up in attack randomly.



Thanks McClennan but I know what makes a good fullback, Australia defined the role of the modern fullback the same as they have developed and defined the role of pretty well all positions in the modern game at the elite level.

England have not been at the leading edge of the games development for a few decades or so.

Except the "ball playing" lock Mr Sinfield has that area covered.

ahhh... so because you think Australia has defined the role of a modern fullback..... that's makes you an expert.

Not at all.

I have seen the best Fullbacks that Australia has produced since 1975, often live.

Rugby League is one of the big sports in Australia and every facet of the game is pulled apart and judged by the media and the fans.



Compare that to the English game and how it is played its worlds apart.



I have seen your comments and you are entitled to your views, I just do not agree with many of them.

I think your trying to put down england best full back because your on a ENGLISH RLfans website you only have to look a the roosters and west tigers forum to see he is getting the raps he deserves. The only forum i have seen what doesn't is the sharks as they think gardner is a better fullback which is laughable!(if sam did go to the nrl i can't see it being the sharks they are the are like superleagues castleford). As sam was there for the lewis try but got off balance to stop him maybe hes positioning is questionable but certianly not hes defence unlike billy slater what was that attempt on hall and i have seen him do that more than once in the nrl. And the Trex try are you for real you would expect that a good tackling second row wouldnt of been pushed off so easy unless your a complete mind reader?



as i have said before as it stands for full backs in the world it goes 1.billy slater and then joint 2nd brett stewart and sam tomkins and anything else is not true. Maybe bowen because of hes impact when thruston was injured but he was playing more of 6 role for the side which looks to be hes better position.

Ok then Dubby you are right.

I would not trade him for Jarryd Hayne.

I am sure half of the NRL Clubs would not trade him for theirs.

Last weeks game was the first time he has looked even reasonable at this level.

One game does not make a champion.

Time will tell.

You mean the ball playing lock of the 80/90's? That position was redefined long ago to effectively facilitate a workmanlike extra prop. I can only think of Mateo left in that role and possibly John Sutton who plays 6.