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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"As the no 1 RL playing nation, they should be driving the international program.
Whilst England playing against Scotland, Ireland and Wales sounds like a good idea, the reality is that, the other home nations are nowhere near SL standard and certainly a long way from being competitive against a full strength England team.
There would be benefit to the other nations but, England would potentially lose their edge if they play "easy" games.
Aussie prepare for their games by picking from the Origin stars and then playing the Kiwi's. Therefore we have to find a way of giving our players some serious competition and not just a glorified training session.
The only other way I can see is some kind of possibles vs probables but, there is very little commercial appeal to this so, it's a non runner.'"
I didn't suggest England should play Scotland, Ireland or Wales.
I said England should play mid season games against France and then New Zealand. These are the best teams who are likley willing to play us. A stand alone mid season game against Austrailia is sadly a pipe dream.
Nobody would be interested in probables v possibles, I certainly wouldn't be buying a ticket and traveling to the game. Origin is unique to Austrailia and works for them, this is because RL is mostly played in 2 states, the Aussies are passionate about the state they come from so get behind their side and the players see it as a rep side. Like England and Wales both been part of the UK and people support them in sporting events. Sadly Wales aren't good enough to be competitive with England. It makes no sense to try and replicate something like origin where it doesn't exist.
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| Quote huddiepuddies="huddiepuddies"
This is true for the Pennine League yes (I've played in it too for many years), but the main reason is that the Pennine league is still played in Winter. One of only a few that still is I believe.
My club have left it this season to focus on Summer leagues instead.
The main issues with Winter rugby is the training (you either need your own floodlights or have to pay decent £ for somewhere with floodlights), a massive amount of games get called off every season, the pitches are atrocious when you do manage to play and clubs struggle for players to commit, for most of the reasons above. Most of the clubs that have left are still going but in other setups.
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| Australia has the money and media profile to push the international game forwards if it wants to. It was they who were the main culprits in the reduction in internationals and tours anyway with their NFL-like obsession with their own league.
I agree with that mentioned above about a mid-season international comp v France etc. I don't know about going down under for 1 game. I think that's a lot of expense for not much when we'll be more than likely be playing NZ at the end of the season anyway.
I get the point about France and the other nations not being up to standard but I think we have to start somewhere. And give France a dedicated, set in stone, international structure and I think they'll improve as will Wales.
It's getting a set calendar, year on year that is vital to getting the international teams to develop and improve.
I've said it before but I'd like to see a set international calendar of:
Year 1: 5 Nations alternating between here and down under. (Big 3 plus Wales & France when held here, top 2 Pacific nations when held down under)
Year 2: GB tour. Alternate between Australia and NZ. 3 match series.
Year 3: England Test Series. Alternate opponents between Australia and NZ. 3 match series
Year 4: World Cup
Plus an annual mid-season European Championship involving England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland and France. And ideally an annual mid-season Pacific Championship involving Australia, New Zealand, PNG, Samoa & Fiji.
I think that regular format would revolutionise international RL in both hemispheres. It'd show all those countries that we take internationals seriously.
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| One thing that might get the Aussies more interested in Internationals is if we start beating them again. Hopefully that will start in November and they will sit up and take notice during the NZ -England final when they are confirmed the number 3 ranked nation in the World 
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| Quote Biff Tannen="Biff Tannen"One thing that might get the Aussies more interested in Internationals is if we start beating them again. Hopefully that will start in November and they will sit up and take notice during the NZ -England final when they are confirmed the number 3 ranked nation in the World
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Depends if the refs pull them out of the sh|t again like last time when exactly that should have happened.
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| Quote Him="Him"Australia has the money and media profile to push the international game forwards if it wants to. It was they who were the main culprits in the reduction in internationals and tours anyway with their NFL-like obsession with their own league.'"
Historical revisionism at its finest.
We were responsible for the reduction in internationals and tours with the switch to summer seasons since 1996.
There hasn't been any proper international tours since.
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Historical revisionism at its finest.
We were responsible for the reduction in internationals and tours with the switch to summer seasons since 1996.
There hasn't been any proper international tours since.'"
If anyone's the revisionist it's you.
Was it the '98 tour that was cancelled due to the Super League War? And it was the Aussies who truncated the 2001? tour to being just the 3 test matches by using 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan as some kind of excuse for missing out the club games.
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| Quote DGM="DGM"Mine was a genuine question, appreciate this reply. Informative.'"
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| The way forward is Toulouse, Toronto, Avignon and Montreal within the next 6 years, with Paris and Vancouver to follow.
If Nigel "Dominos" Wood insists that they all waste their collective times climbing the divisional ladder, then so be it. That process is of course a massive waste of time and resources. Licencing is the only efficient method of expanding. Nevertheless, if rugby league takes off in Toulouse and Toronto and Montreal then it will be a success, albeit an inefficient one.
But until we have several teams from France and Canada in Super League, we cannot hope to attract the USA cities.
If Canadian teams take off, using local NFL discards with a handful of English, Australian and Kiwi players, then the USA will follow fast.
If Toulouse alongside Catalans in Super League can ignite more French interest in rugby league, then other French cities will follow based upon rich benefactors and rugby union defectors.
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| Quote JEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The way forward is Toulouse, Toronto, Avignon and Montreal within the next 6 years, with Paris and Vancouver to follow.
If Nigel "Dominos" Wood insists that they all waste their collective times climbing the divisional ladder, then so be it. That process is of course a massive waste of time and resources. Licencing is the only efficient method of expanding. Nevertheless, if rugby league takes off in Toulouse and Toronto and Montreal then it be a success, albeit an inefficient one.
But until we have several teams from France and Canada in Super League, we cannot hope to attract the USA cities.
If Canadian teams take off, using local NFL discards with a handful of English, Australian and Kiwi players, then the USA will follow fast.
If Toulouse alongside Catalans in Super League can ignite more French interest in rugby league, then other French cities will follow based upon rich benefactors and rugby union defectors.'"
I think France and french speaking Canada should form there own competition to take advantage of the rich benefactors and union defectors you speak of.
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| Quote JEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The way forward is Toulouse, Toronto, Avignon and Montreal within the next 6 years, with Paris and Vancouver to follow.
If Nigel "Dominos" Wood insists that they all waste their collective times climbing the divisional ladder, then so be it. That process is of course a massive waste of time and resources. Licencing is the only efficient method of expanding. Nevertheless, if rugby league takes off in Toulouse and Toronto and Montreal then it be a success, albeit an inefficient one.
But until we have several teams from France and Canada in Super League, we cannot hope to attract the USA cities.
If Canadian teams take off, using local NFL discards with a handful of English, Australian and Kiwi players, then the USA will follow fast.
If Toulouse alongside Catalans in Super League can ignite more French interest in rugby league, then other French cities will follow based upon rich benefactors and rugby union defectors.'"
OMG. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
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| Quote JEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The way forward is Toulouse, Toronto, Avignon and Montreal within the next 6 years, with Paris and Vancouver to follow.
If Nigel "Dominos" Wood insists that they all waste their collective times climbing the divisional ladder, then so be it. That process is of course a massive waste of time and resources. Licencing is the only efficient method of expanding. Nevertheless, if rugby league takes off in Toulouse and Toronto and Montreal then it be a success, albeit an inefficient one.
But until we have several teams from France and Canada in Super League, we cannot hope to attract the USA cities.
If Canadian teams take off, using local NFL discards with a handful of English, Australian and Kiwi players, then the USA will follow fast.
If Toulouse alongside Catalans in Super League can ignite more French interest in rugby league, then other French cities will follow based upon rich benefactors and rugby union defectors.'"
What sort of planet are you on its not Earth thats for sure you are 
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