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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Why do we keep talking of expansion when in reality we are struggling with the momentum of contraction in many facets of our game.'"
Which facets?
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| Quote DGM="DGM"Whilst we haven't seen a decent level of expansion at SL level, we have at grassroots. Junior & Open Age amateur clubs have sprung up all over the place in the past 10-15 years or so. Have a look on twitter, or on the RFL club locator and you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Wrencat above sums it up, we need the broader appeal. The best way to do this is a consistent International Calendar that Joe public is able to follow. We've taken the first step in doing that with the World Cup on a set 4-year cycle at long last. We now need to figure out what the best thing to do with the intervening three years is. We also need to spread games out more, as at the moment we shoehorn a few games in late October/November. We should have a 3-week International break around June.
With a successful & competitive International game, the media/public attention will follow.
Regards to the club game, sides like Toulouse & Toronto need supporting, as in order to really grow, we need clubs in big cities and the commercial revenues they could potentially pull into the sport.'"
I think that The Aussies are partly to blame on this.
Nothing happens on the International scene without their blessing and they always appear to put their domestic game above all else, which ultimately is not helping the game to grow elsewhere.
I agree about International fixtures in that they need to be given a higher priority. However, we are stuck with too few options, with only 3 top tier nations, plus 5/6 second tier teams and an improvement with France (a strong Toulouse club would help) is the first step in giving GB a meaningful mid season game.
Without them, we should be playing Aussie and NZ in alternate seasons.
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| Quote DGM="DGM"Which facets?'"
Ask Brian Barwick, report back when he gives you a sensible progressive way forward.
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Ask Brian Barwick, report back when he gives you a sensible progressive way forward.'"
Mine was a genuine question, appreciate this reply. Informative.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"I think that The Aussies are partly to blame on this.
Nothing happens on the International scene without their blessing and they always appear to put their domestic game above all else, which ultimately is not helping the game to grow elsewhere.
I agree about International fixtures in that they need to be given a higher priority. However, we are stuck with too few options, with only 3 top tier nations, plus 5/6 second tier teams and an improvement with France (a strong Toulouse club would help) is the first step in giving GB a meaningful mid season game.
Without them, we should be playing Aussie and NZ in alternate seasons.'"
Agree on the Aussies. If they're intent on their Origin Series, it should be done over a three week break coinciding with an International break in the SL/NRL. Everyone else can play against each other. Maybe in year 1, the Northern hemisphere teams travel and play the Southern Hemisphere in a couple of test matches, in Year2 reverse it.
Whilst we only have 8/9 tier 1/2 nations, it should be all countries that are playing games in this period, all that are affiliated with the RLEF/RLIF.
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| Quote spegs="spegs"You've been trying for 35 years. Using the word parochial does not add any strength to the failing argument that Super League is / would be better off with teams from outside the heartland.'"
Does that argument need any strength adding to it? Seems pretty self evident to all except, well, the parochial
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Why do we keep talking of expansion when in reality we are struggling with the momentum of contraction in many facets of our game specifically here in the UK.'"
perhaps the lack of expansion and the momentum of contraction are linked. Perhaps a stronger game, nationwide, with a bigger tv deal, more sponsors, more visibility etc wouldnt see contraction in its heartland.
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| Quote Why do we keep talking of expansion when in reality we are struggling with the momentum of contraction in many facets of our game specifically here in the UK'"
Maybe you've answered your own question.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"I think that The Aussies are partly to blame on this.
Nothing happens on the International scene without their blessing and they always appear to put their domestic game above all else, which ultimately is not helping the game to grow elsewhere.
I agree about International fixtures in that they need to be given a higher priority. However, we are stuck with too few options, with only 3 top tier nations, plus 5/6 second tier teams and an improvement with France (a strong Toulouse club would help) is the first step in giving GB a meaningful mid season game.
Without them, we should be playing Aussie and NZ in alternate seasons.'"
While I agree the Aussies lack any real desire to play more international games, we can't blame it on the Aussies we don't play a mid season game against the French.
I would like to see two mid season breaks in super league. With the first break England playing France. Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Italy could also play.
The second Super league break I think we should play New Zealand down under when the NRL takes a week break for Origin and the pacific tests.
Along with the end of season four nations this would give England a decent number of fixtures. If they try play super league games at the same time as internationals, clubs will understandably put pressure on players not to play and the international game will continue to be undermined.
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| Quote Sir Kevin Sinfield="Sir Kevin Sinfield"While I agree the Aussies lack any real desire to play more international games, we can't blame it on the Aussies we don't play a mid season game against the French.
I would like to see two mid season breaks in super league. With the first break England playing France. Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Italy could also play.
The second Super league break I think we should play New Zealand down under when the NRL takes a week break for Origin and the pacific tests.
Along with the end of season four nations this would give England a decent number of fixtures. If they try play super league games at the same time as internationals, clubs will understandably put pressure on players not to play and the international game will continue to be undermined.'"
As the no 1 RL playing nation, they should be driving the international program.
Whilst England playing against Scotland, Ireland and Wales sounds like a good idea, the reality is that, the other home nations are nowhere near SL standard and certainly a long way from being competitive against a full strength England team.
There would be benefit to the other nations but, England would potentially lose their edge if they play "easy" games.
Aussie prepare for their games by picking from the Origin stars and then playing the Kiwi's. Therefore we have to find a way of giving our players some serious competition and not just a glorified training session.
The only other way I can see is some kind of possibles vs probables but, there is very little commercial appeal to this so, it's a non runner.
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| The area between Birmingham taking in Coventry down to north London with the Skolars occupied by our Championship 2 clubs needs to be encouraged and helped to eventually become our ' second front ' , we need junior clubs building within this area hopefully seeing one or two clubs moving forward into the Championship and potentially SL
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| Quote DGM="DGM"Whilst we haven't seen a decent level of expansion at SL level, we have at grassroots. Junior & Open Age amateur clubs have sprung up all over the place in the past 10-15 years or so. Have a look on twitter, or on the RFL club locator and you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Is that really true?
I hope it is; my lad, who plays in the Pennine League, says there are 31 fewer teams this season than last. That's a huge loss.
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