The voice of reason and the post nearest the truth.

Tuson threw a flurry of punches,sustained,as the charge says. Whatever magennis did it doesn't entitle tuson to start chucking his fists about thats fair enough to me.

Hock and lms had a set to at the scrum forming but then hock grabs lms and starts raining blows on him,thats fair enough too,magennis threw a haymaker from behind,fair enough,mossop then floors magennis, fair enough,lms did nothing more than wind hock up therefore no charge,all are pretty fair to me.

I really cannot see how wigan fans can defend hock and tusom as the victims,also mcilorum and wilkin didn't come up smelling of roses in the moments after the brawl

You call that assessment neutral? Methinks obvious anti-Wigan agenda is obvious. Magennis cheap shots Tuson who had his back turned and you criticise Tuson. Both Hock and LMS were in each others faces, and it's only when they stand up and LMS shoves his head into Hocks face that Hock starts throwing punches (not that that makes it ok, just that you seem to think Saints can do no wrong). As for Wigan players holding LMS while Hock punches him, pull the other one, it's got bells on it.

Just as a query.



Hock got whacked in the first half, hence the bloody nose.



Who was it that did it ?

Crank. It's not about Leeds you fool, take your beating like a man and stick on topic.

I've nothing against Hock, he gets people through the turnstiles and shows real passion. I don't think it was conclusive what happened to start it between him and LMS but Hock certainly finished it. Magennis acted in a cowardly manner, squared up, didn't fancy it, then threw a cheap shot. Mossop was also a cheap shot coward, had plenty of Saints to choose from but hid behind his mates before throwing a sucker punch at someone not looking. Most of the Saints team were cowards, watching Wigan players hold their teammates while they got paggered. Tuson reacted to the cheap shot from Magennis, I've no problem with that. The fight summed the game up really, Wigan fancied it a bit more.

It might make you wonder, but it doesn't really surprise you.

We know the RFL have bailed Bradford out by buying their ground and helping them stay afloat for the last few years but don't encourage him. As for you and your mate Adam Pearson, you know the craic, you're just not smart enough.

To do what?

This.

Some people really need to go outside and give their heads a shake.

To think that a bit of a ruck will condemn our game to the non-RL-understanding public as being played by 'Thick Northern Numpty' types is just plain stupid. For example, all the footy fans that work for me, absolutely loved it!

Take a look at ice-hockey sometime. What makes that particular game so popular? Is it slapping a bit of rubber with a canoe paddle? Dont think so!

Its the chance of biff breaking out at any moment. Its what makes that game so appealing.

If any of the players, including cheap-shot Thugennis get banned....Then our game is in a very poor state indeed. Was anyone bloodied and broken? Was there need of a stretcher or ambulance? Get a grip!

Methinks this is just a case of the usual anti-Wigan mob jumping on the 'cheating pies' bandwagon again.

Be honest, you'd be chuffed if it had been your own team laying the smack down in a full-blooded derby match!

"The Biff" is great for this game! How stupid do you have to be to think that a good scrap cheapens our game? I live in an area of the UK (Channel Islands) that doesn't even know what Rugby League is! Over the years I've managed to get quite a few friends into it, and they love the aggression and the fights, it's part of what makes them continue to follow it when they are not in my house with my ramming it down their throats!



I've recently started a new job and got a colleague watching Wigan and his facebook status during that match was... "FIGHT!!!!!" then followed by numerous comments stating how awesome the aggression and full blooded nature of our game is compared to anything else he had ever watched. Get a clue, fighting is a part of our game and shows passion! How many people over the years have tuned in to SOO just waiting for the first bit of good biff!?

I love a bit of biff, and when Peacock goes toe to toe with someone I'm the first one cheering, but that's my Leeds/GB/England bias, and he's been very lucky to avoid a ban or two in the past. I've no problem with players rough-housing, it's part of the game, but most of this wasn't that, it was -housing, and that's got no part in the game.



I'm utterly perplexed by the many claims that LMS and Hock were equally guilty. Seriously, take your cherry and white glasses off and look at the stats:



Head contact: LMS 1 Hock 1

Punches Thrown and landed for no apparent reason: LMS 0 Hock (at least) 6



Yes, that's equal.



For me, I don't think Hock's indiscretion should be taken in isolation, I don't think he has any appreciation of how lucky he is to be still be allowed to play the greatest game alongside incredibly talented and clean players and I'd like to see him hit with a six game ban - three immediate and three suspended. The message has to be sent out to Wigan, sort him out or get shot. I'm impressed that he managed 14 games without having a typical Hock moment, but it was inevitable, we all knew it was inevitable, and to treat it the same way as someone like Tomkins or Danny McGuire lashing out is farcical.



I think Tuson probably had to go - he threw one hell of a lot of punches - but sending off certainly sufficient, he was trying to walk away and even mild mannered types are liable to over react when sucker punched.



Magennis can't really complain at whatever ban they give him, he completely lost it. If they'd stuck his mum in a Wigan shirt and stuck her in front of him he'd have probably chinned her.



Mossop's the only one of the scrappers I'm undecided about, I understand why he did it, but he had no need to get involved. It would be a real shame to be banned for that, but technically I think they have to give him at least a game, because he ran in and punched.



And on McIlorum, I can't decide whether he's lucky to get away with it or not. I'm tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt, because normally tackles like that are just a momentary lapse (or repeated momentary lapses, see Brent Webb) but he looked like he might have meant it - and he's good, so 1 match ban for him.



And Tomkins, well done on supporting a worthy cause, but I'd like you banned anyway because you're rather good.



(edited as I now have information that makes my previous statement both ridiculous and embarrassing)