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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"
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That is all you need my friend. THE TRUTH is out and JUSTICE is next to come. |
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| Quote M@islebugs="M@islebugs"I think you're getting your own personal experience confused with a specific sequence of events. I can understand as having spent deeply =#FF0000unpleasant times around Leeds United supporters in the 80s my view on anything wihich involves them is seriously jaundiced.However, the Taylor Report says there were ticketes on sale at Anfield the day before the game. The stories about Liverpool fans mugging other Liverpool fans for tickets came out after the recent European Cup victory. I don't think there's any evidence of this happening at Hillsborough.'"
I put , ' Any fan of any large club ' , it could have been any , Man U,Arsenal,Villa , |
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| Quote Cibaman="Cibaman"Cant say I remember many if any occassions of ticketless fans forcing entry en masse in the 80's. Trying to gain entry without a ticket ("jibbing"icon_wink.gif certainly went on, it still does. But it always seemed to be one of those activities that was more effective when carried out individually in amongst fans with tickets. Doing it in large numbers and drawing attention to yourself wouldnt have been a good idea.'"
But ' blockading ' the turnstyles would achieve exactly what happened , there was the possibility of loss of life outside the stadium , that is why the gates were opened , the police where put in an untenable situation |
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Interesting reading how the very same nearly happened in the 1987 FA Cup semi final at Hillsborough - [url=http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/18/hillsborough-leeds-v-coventry-1987-semi-finalLink[/url, then there's the reports of Spurs in 1981 at Hillsborough.
Also, just months after Hillsborough, was reading about a crush when Leeds visited Ayresome Park - [url=http://anthonyvickers.boroblogs.co.uk/2012/09/crush-ayresomes.htmlLink[/url
The Hillsborough Independent report looks pretty thorough - so where is the evidence to suggest that fans were to blame for this happening?
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"But ' blockading ' the turnstyles would achieve exactly what happened , [uthere was the possibility of loss of life outside the stadium [/u, that is why the gates were opened , the police where put in an untenable situation'"
Where is your evidence for this? |
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| Quote Leaf="Leaf":yilyodk5Interesting reading how the very same nearly happened in the 1987 FA Cup semi final at Hillsborough - [url=http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/18/hillsborough-leeds-v-coventry-1987-semi-final:yilyodk5Link[/url:yilyodk5, then there's the reports of Spurs in 1981 at Hillsborough.
Also, just months after Hillsborough, was reading about a crush when Leeds visited Ayresome Park - [url=http://anthonyvickers.boroblogs.co.uk/2012/09/crush-ayresomes.html:yilyodk5Link[/url:yilyodk5
The Hillsborough Independent report looks pretty thorough - so where is the evidence to suggest that fans were to blame for this happening?'" fans from running out over the gates and causing further injury |
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"Where is your evidence for this?'"
Watch the documentary that was aired earlier this week week on itv player, or read the report. both say that there was significant crowding and crushing in the area around the leppings lane turnstiles outside the ground and the gate was opened by the police to try and releive this. many LFC fans who were there also stated that they feared for their safety outside the ground.
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sadly the nature of football grounds and football crowds in the 70-80s brings many tales of similar instances where this type of disaster was waiting to happen!
at least two were noted between 1981 and 1988 at hillsborough. its just that SWFC, the FA, SYP and SCC decided to ingore it! fans were routinely treated like cattle in those days.
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| Quote isaac1="isaac1"sadly the nature of football grounds and football crowds in the 70-80s brings many tales of similar instances where this type of disaster was waiting to happen!
at least two were noted between 1981 and 1988 at hillsborough. its just that SWFC, the FA, SYP and SCC decided to ingore it! =#FF0000 fans were routinely treated like cattle in those days.'"
Quite often their behaviour warranted it |
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Completely irrelivant'"
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Quite often their behaviour warranted it'"
I agree, thats the point i made in my earlier, longer post! Its important that Hillsborough and the actions of people on that day are not viewed in isolation. It was "of its time". That isnt to say the police were right, because they werent, but for people who werent around, or werent around in football grounds in the 80s, its important to make this very clear! |
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