You need a Plan B.

As it was Wigan who overran us, it's hardly rocket science that their stats after so few other games are much better than ours.



Your point that we've played 25% less games than the other teams does make the rest of your post, well, pointless.

Not really. Because if you assume you will make the same average you have made currently and add this on, you will still be only 9th in the meters gained department. Again hardly a reflection of the forwards laying a good platform.



edit.... sorry that should have said 12th. Harlequins would go up to 9th.



Whats your excuse this time?

Excuse? What has any of this got to do with "excuses"?



The position we are in at the moment is not great. But that has little to do with the pack. But anyway, my knowledge of how the pack is playing is based on watching it play, and you trying to "disprove" this by weirdly trying to draw some overstretched "conclusions" from some random statistic is actually endearingly bonkers. Thanks for giving me a chuckle.

Well said mate

Perhaps excuse was the wrong word. But the stats would show that your view on the pack is incorrect.



The opening posters questions appear to be backed up with stats. My own comments on page one of the other thread, which were written two months ago, before the season started, appear spot on.



There is no doubt tha on paper its fine. In reality it is far from that.

Stats, or indeed paper, should not be confused with reality, and the evidence of your own eyes.



This particular stat, far from "showing that my view of the pack is incorrect", is a team stat, not a pack stat, and shows [unothing[/u, at all, specifically on the pack.

The Bradford backs are awful.



Nero and Sykes in the centres? Deary me.

You'll notice that I deliberately didn't include Newton in my list of forwards that have been playing well this year for us.











Fully agree. The last 10 to 15 minutes of the game, we actually played fairly well. Sadly, the first 65 to 70 minutes, it was like a bloody circus at times.











Then you haven't seen Nero play this year. He's improved massively for mine and was our best player yesterday (and was rightly voted as our man of the match). The only match he hasn't looked decent in was the Wigan one. Can't argue with Sykes though.

He is very very average. The bulls have probably the worst centre pairing in SL IMO, perhaps with the exception of Celtic. I genuinely believe that.

Have you actually watched Nero play once this season? I have to agree with Sykes though, appalling.

Then you genuinely haven't seen Nero play this year. In yesterday's game, our first two tries were entirely scored because of excellent work from Nero. He also looked good in the KR and Giants games.



Last year, he was average, I agree. This year, he's been our best back by a country mile.