The relevance is that you are happy to accept that English players may get injured but not happy to accept that overseas players may also get injured. As Fear the V has stated, Orford has put in some good performances this season, in a woefully inadequate Bulls team, before injury finished his season. That doesn't make him a poor signing.



Burrow has been awesome (in defence) in the last few weeks but I still feel we'd be better shaped with an organiser in the halves, not 2 similar players who mainly rely on forward domination & a good off-load game. Maybe we'll hav to agree to disagree

Thought you might be lured into that.



Is Dobson not a success then? remember your measurement of success is apparently the dream team.

Rangi Chase has been excellent when at 7 for Cas after Sherwin left, with Widders alongside at 6.



Players can play well without winning trophies.

No, but I'd rather have Orford as 7 at Saints than Burrow - which is probably the more relevant point.

Exactly. It's just another big hole that Gareth is digging, don't worry.



We have had many quality overseas signings over, with a lot of halfbacks too. Trophies can only go to one, maximum of two teams. Not every player will be lucky enough to play for a team with that chance.

Awesome. Michael Dobson and Rangi Chase. Dobson is on his, what, 3rd SL club?



Gotcha, would you really swap him for Burrow?

Really?



fair enough. I'd have thought seeing the way he performed against your lot in last years and the 07 Grand Final you;d be more appreciative of his talents but hey ho.

Is Dobson a high profile Aussie import to begin with?

I think Leeds would be a better team with a player like Dobson than a player like Burrow. He has many skills that Burrow doesn't. Likewise Burrow offers a lot that Dobson can't. Would I have swapped the Burrow of 2003-2007? no I wouldn't, but this Burrow is not having the same effect.



In an argument for Donald been a success you used the dream team picking as proof. Are you saying that because we have proven an aussie scrumhalf as a success, that the dream team is irrelevant now?

Orford didn't have that opportunity, but he performed pretty well in a 40-0 thrashing of a salary-cap busting Melbourne team in a Grand Final.

Asdie from playing a blinder Sunday, playing a blinder in the win at Hull the week before and getting MOM in the game at Cas before that you have a point about Burrow.



No, really.



Donald has also played in and won 3 GFs



HTH

All as usual in your opinion.



Of most relevance would be would Hull KR be as good with Burrow instead of Dobson. I'll leave that to the Hull KR fans to pish themselves with laughter.









Which brings me back to the point on the other page, about players been lucky to play in a challenging team. Does it make them better individually? does it b0ll0cks. You can still be a success (ala Dobson) without winning trophies, only a bandwaggoner would not be able to differentiate between them.