Is this the JJB that made 35 tackles, 11 carries and no penalties at Warrington?

My point was that it appears to be a fairly regular occurrence with Leeds where a handling mistake will be compounded by the concession of a penalty in the following set - double whammy - not completing a set of possession is bad enough without making matters worse. Two of the three Leeds penalties conceded at Warrington came in such circumstances or do you disagree with that observation? You could have a look while you're watching Kirke making both drives with ball in hand and tackles when not this week contrary to your observation from last week which is surely worth another look : viewtopic.php?f=17&t=558195&tsmp=1379426559&start=51

My point was that it appears to be a fairly regular occurrence with Leeds where a handling mistake will be compounded by the concession of a penalty in the following set - double whammy - not completing a set of possession is bad enough without making matters worse. Two of the three Leeds penalties conceded at Warrington came in such circumstances or do you disagree with that observation? You could have a look while you're watching Kirke making both drives with ball in hand and tackles when not this week contrary to your observation from last week which is surely worth another look : viewtopic.php?f=17&t=558195&tsmp=1379426559&start=51

Based upon what I have seen, when they play actual rugby, not from reading statistics after the event, Hall has had a terrific season. Moon has had an inconsistent season.



I'm not writing him off. I've seen enough to think he can be a good player. But I recognise that he has shown some failings. Watch friday how many times he will be heading towards Hall, step off his left to straighten his run and be easily tackled. He takes this option far more than supplying Hall or using Hall as a foil.



I am afraid Juan I can't show you any opta stats about this so you might have to actually watch the game to see it.

Look this is sport. Coaches and professional players practice and strive for error free performances with good discipline. Even Champion players fall below their targets sometimes. Our discipline in the last couple of games has been good so looking to make some spooky case based on what came before 2 out of 3 penalties is really scaping the barrel.



The match against Warrington was just not to be our day. We came up against a pack that was in better form than ours and whose line speed and PTB was very quick and who were allowed to be offside and mess about in the tackle. We lost most of the 50/50 calls and all this meant they gained the all important momentum which proved decisive in the 2nd half.



With regard to Kirke, I have said on many occassions I am not a big fan and would have dropped him. However the critics are one eyed and for example against Warrington his metres per carry was the 3rd best. I also note the Kirke critics have kept very quiet regarding Bailey's awful lack of go forward which bears repeating. 6 carries for just 19 metres making a bottom of the table 3.17metres per carry. And your friend Kylie just 7 carries and 10 tackles. Come on now!

If you don't look at stats Hall has looked below average even for most of this season. He has worse ball retention than Thackery had, and his defence is the worst of all our backs.



That so called pass into touch from Moon on Saturday, would have been a try on the other side of the field, as BJB wouldn't have been a few metres ahead of where he should have been, which is something Hall has consistently done this year.



Just saying like.

I too base my opinion on what I see played on the pitch. However it is useful to be able to back opinion up with facts.



Hall has not had a terrific season. He has been well below his own high standards for much of the season. I do not fault his work rate or his go forward. But his finishing has been well below his own par with nobody else to blame. His handling has been poor as has his missed tackling which has led to cruicial tries being scored against us eg his miss on Westwood on Saturday and his rushing out of the line to miss tackles like he did in the WCC. He has had some terrific games too but they have been the exception. He shown better form in recent games but too late for consideration for ther DREAM TEAM which in other years would have been automatic.



You complain that Moon has been inconsistent. But who hasn't this year? If he has been inconsistent then what a players he is being inconsistent.



1. To tackler in our backs

2. Top offloader in the whole team

3. Top equal for clean breaks

4. Equal 2nd try scorer (1 behind Watkins equal with Hall)

5. One less try assist than Watkins who has had 30% more carries



These facts suggest a fine all round centre. He is in his first season with us, which has seen little quality ball reaching either centre and no attacking FB like Webb to create overlaps on the left.. I think he has class and has made some tries out of nothing and will only get better as he settles into the team.



I think G1 that had you been paying closer attention at matches you would have seen this for yourself.

Not going from stats. I think Hall has been superb this season.

I'd agree Moon has been inconsistent but I think part of that is due to the relatively poor ball he's been receiving. The same goes for Watkins.

If Hall has been superb this season, what was he last season? Or the season before that?

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Only superb this season then.



Wot a let down.

Hall's not been great this year, although we have a general problem in supplying ball to the backs and scoring tries per se, not just for Hall. Every single one of our threequarters has scored fewer tries this year than last.



Hardaker



2013: 9 Tries from 25

2013: 21 Tries from 37

2011: 12 Tries from 15



BJB



2013: 9 tries from 12

2012: 23 tries from 32

2011: 13 tries from 19



Watkins



2013: 19 tries from 27

2012: 20 tries from 27

2011: 11 tries from 16



Moon



2013: 15 tries from 28

2012: 11 tries from 19 (for Salford)





Hall



2013: 16 tries from 35

2012: 33 tries from 37

2011: 32 tries from 35



McGuire



2013: 8 tries from 21

2012: 22 tries from 26

2011: 10 tries from 17 + 5 sub



Burrow



2013: 8 tries from 30

2012: 12 tries from 27 + 3 sub

2011: 12 tries from 22 + 12 sub

He was just as good, if not better last season, just in slightly different ways.

This year he's been outstanding, in my view, in defence and in transition. His kick returns or runs on play 1 or 2 following a kick have really helped get us up field.