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| The word “attitude” has been used a lot on this thread but I don’t think that’s anything to do with why we lost. If it was anything to do with a poor team or individual attitude I can’t understand why Brad Arthur would go unscathed on the forum. He instills the attitude, he prepared and travelled with the team, and he had chance to address a “poor attitude” at half time if that was the case. I think we were beaten in all aspects of the game on Friday, physically, technically, the dark arts, structure, decision making and any other areas we competed in. It might have just been a bad day, they happen, or it might be a truer indication of where we are compared to our rivals. We currently sit 1-2 down against Saints this season, if we get turned over in a few weeks time then it’s pretty unequivocal for me where we are quality wise compared to Saints. Beat them and it’s 2 apiece, sweet revenge and it hopefully means this was just a bad day at the office after a pretty good run.
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| tad rhino:
even the league table is seriously flawed because of the extra games
If all concerned are comfortable with the current structure of fixtures, and hence the resultant league table, then fine, but unless each team plays each other team the same amount of times, then in purist terms the league table has no integrity at all.
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| leeds owl:Simmo71:
I'll judge where we are versus Saints on where we finish in the table rather than on the head to head results.
That would have been a good gauge between 1974 and 1996 Simmo, but as Saints fans will testify, you can finish 10 points in front of a rival and lose to them when it matters and you’re consigned to the category of losers. Both of our theories are ultimately out of the window until play off time, lose to Saints then and previous results and league positions become irrelevant. Yeh, fair enough OWL.And we know that better than anyone.The point I was making is that should we lose to Saints in a couple of weeks doesn't necessarily mean we are way behind them, as you had suggested.The final league table (before the play offs) would be a better gauge of that.
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| YosemiteSam:tad rhino:
even the league table is seriously flawed because of the extra games
If all concerned are comfortable with the current structure of fixtures, and hence the resultant league table, then fine, but unless each team plays each other team the same amount of times, then in purist terms the league table has no integrity at all. but it does give an indication of where teams are at e.g. Wigan /Hull KR are out front, Leeds, Saints , Leigh, Hull and Wakefield are chasing playoffs, Warrington, Catalans and Cas are poor and Hudds /Salford are garbage according to the current table. I think that sounds about right.
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| Simmo71:leeds owl:Simmo71:
I'll judge where we are versus Saints on where we finish in the table rather than on the head to head results.
That would have been a good gauge between 1974 and 1996 Simmo, but as Saints fans will testify, you can finish 10 points in front of a rival and lose to them when it matters and you’re consigned to the category of losers. Both of our theories are ultimately out of the window until play off time, lose to Saints then and previous results and league positions become irrelevant. Yeh, fair enough OWL.And we know that better than anyone.The point I was making is that should we lose to Saints in a couple of weeks doesn't necessarily mean we are way behind them, as you had suggested.The final league table (before the play offs) would be a better gauge of that.(Quote) I didn’t say we would be way behind them if we go 1-3 for the season against Saints, but it would indicate to me they are a better team with a greater chance of silverware. They have had their travails this season, but when it came to a “must win” game against us, it was pretty conclusive despite the final score in The Challenge Cup. If we put in a real display against them in a few weeks and make it 2 apiece I would be encouraged that we are a similar level of quality. I think head to heads do indicate levels of quality, and to go 1-3 down against any team in a season would probably be a good indicator whoever we were playing.
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